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June 18, 2007


L Lawliet

This song is really sad (and true) when you replace "Chocolate Rain" with racism... It makes you think about the world more.


The first time I looked at the lyrics, one thing caught my eye: The prisons make you wonder where it went. I thought this had something to do with the holocaust maybe, but as soon as i started looking for lyrics referring to racism, they were popping up all over the place. These are just a few, and i use these especially because they tie in with the song name.
1. Build a tent and say the world is dry. I think this means yoou can pretend racism doesn't exist but it does.
2. In the chorus, Tay sings," Using you to fall back down again." This means chocolate rain(racism) is being used by a lot of people so it's always there.
3. every February wased away. February is black history month. "Washed away" means racist people don't care.

I hope as soon as you see that this song is actually refers to racism, you can see how deep these lyrics are. people think this is random words, like "chad" says. They have meaning, and you can see it if you look for it.

Bruce Boisclair

Intrinsically I believe the song "Chocolate Rain" could well indeed be a societal anecdote about the clear and most reluctantly obvious presence of a slight but still present tier of racism in our still young but ever blossoming nation. The logical eye sees the overtones yet the overtones are not always considered as a true part of the whole. For if it is an allegorical approach to the institutionalalization of racism in this country - i.e. (Rev Wright/"typical white person"/Bill Clinton's "fairy tale" remark), then let us ever so carefully hold the proverbial mirror to ourselves and just as Henicles did in the Greek myth, let the tree forecast it's shadow upon our very countenances...if it is indeed chocolate that falls like rain, then is it also not caramel that drips from our gutters and sugar that fills our mole holes in the lawn. I hence forth say, "yes"..."yes, it is, it most certainly is." Alas Chocolate Rain...alas.


Hey Tyler, sounds like you have made it. Maybe I'm not speaking proper english and maybe my spelling is not up to par, but I hope you can find it in your heart to correct me and at least give me a chance before rejecting me. Don't you think the black race have seen enough rejection. This is a rhetorical question because you stated that as it relates to equality, blacks are very close as this is concerned. Are you for real? I mean, yes, we have seen some change, but come on now.


You know ive tried so hard to try to understand this song and it shows a bunch of different conflicts the world faces these days...although now im wondering if thats true tay zonday is a sell out. he changed the lyrics for the song and turned it into a stupid commercial for dr.pepper (cherry chocolate rain), in my opinion if anyone felt that strongly about the issue they would have never sold out the beautiful meaning of the song for money.

Jesse Ruderman

"The bell curve" should be capitalized as "The Bell Curve" because it is the title of a book.


Ok, first off, I am a young black male(by young I mean 29, 30 in two months) so have experienced both growing up in modern society as a black man, as well as living in modern society as a black man.

Does racism exist? You bet it does! are we equal to the whites? For the most part I think we are. It all depends on the person.

For instance, I went to school with white and black youths. I didn't have to sit in the back because of my skin color. I got the same exact education as every one else. I went to work out of high school at K-mart, starting at minimum wage, just like every other checker and am currently working as a personel manager and making the same ammount that the white guy before me made.

Granted all that's not always the case. It depends on the person. I hire and fire for Kmart as a personel manager, and I have given jobs to whites instead of blacks..not because of their color, but because they come in speaking partial english, wearing their pants half hanging off and looking like a clown.

So, yes..in modern society a person who is educated, dressed more seriously and speaks proper english will get a position over someone who is the oposite. Doesn't matter if they are black and white. That is equality.

The bigotry only comes in on personal levels, but have rarely showed up in professional and legal levels, and personally have never seen an instance where someone was paid less than a white man because they were black(except in someones head) unless it was for a small personal business or picking vegetables or similar job.


The poetry here is one of the best I have read in a long time. You have to dig deep, but you can see he is talking to the more covert, rather than overt, racism we deal with today.

Very Good.....
Close to a classic


Hmmm... I like this song, pretty addicting.

I read a few comments about the racisim and everything, and I think thats about one of the reason why I don't really appretiate the USA, not saying all people are bad, I know some really nice people from the US, actully. But, I swear... It wasn't just the US, either, Canadians use to treat the First Natives like that, I'm against it. I'm white, and even though I live in Canada, I think racism is wrong, very, very wong.

... I'm ranting, arn't I? I'll just stop now... Anyway, 'tis a good song, and points out quite a few things, too.


► Come see why Zonday's "Chocolate Rain" is not as original as claimed.

Famous rap group may have copyright issue with Zonday.

Donald J. M.

Well, I Didn't THink It Was About Poop. I Actually Liked The Song. I Didn't Think It Was Racist Either. Just A Song That Can Happen To ANY Race. Not Just Black People.. So Get Your Mind Out Of The Racist Gutter. And Just Get Over It. Quit Being A Bunch Of Pussies About It. And Enjoy The Song.


first of all the song chocolate rain dose have a meaning maybe you have to be black to get it and have a brain,
let me see if I can help the chocolate rain- is a black person and every other line is telling what is still happen and this day and age to yes black people.. do hope that help,s you to understand,
and to the person with the grandparents yes they may have came here from were ever and yes they may have work very hard for the family, but get this they are still white, and back then that job would have been giving to a white before they would have let any black person have, and when you or anyone want to talk about race please step out of the box and step into the real world first, I can tell that most of you are young and don,t have a clue..mmmm could that be cause you have live your life in ONLY a white world...
even in 2007 we do not get the same opportunity that white people get, have you sat in school for black not high school do some homework go to a black school grades -1 to 6
listen and learn the go to a white school same grade, then e-mail me and tell me we have the same opportunity to succeed.. and you can not value what you don't have...I work for a company that has two set of rules one for white and one for black... but it a job and my pay is good but I hate the racism and the bigotry, but I'm black the only thing that keep me sane is the fact that I do have some education and I hole my head up high and I will not be put down by anyone white or black....and I succeed only because I am good at what I do and because my boss can't get a white person to work in the condition that I work in for what he pays me , meaning I make 18.00 hr not great but o.k but my white counter part would be pay 25.00.....and that's the way it is like it or not..
and MR Lawrence step out of the box your are welcome to come live with me you could not last four weeks in my world


this song is a genius song and he is a genius for coming up with something that has a really deep meaning if you look past his voice and the piano and really listen to the music which has a great meaning to it, it is one of the most brilliant songs i have ever heard.


you should respect this dude, for his imagination, he wrote about random shit down onto a piece a of paper, into like a five minute song, pretty creative i think. =]


i thought this song was about diarreha, call me blind i <3 this song but I REALLY thought it was a big poop joke........
no offense or anything, i thought "some stay dry and others feel the pain" meant the pain of embarassment of having diarreha in public.....call me crazy


Okay, I rarely feel the need to respond to things on the 'net, and I confess that I only read the first few comments, so my apologies if I'm repeating what was already said, but the comments from Lawrence and JohnRinNoHo just pissed me off so much I had to jump into the fray. Let me start by stating for the record that I am a white male in my mid-30s, but I definitely need to distance myself from the likes of Lawrence and John. Anyone who can honestly say that anti-black racism isn't a MAJOR problem in this country is either willfully blind, irretrievably stupid, or just plain deeply racist. So, my message is to those people: Have you ever REALLY thought about what it is like to be black in America? When I was young we moved from an all-white neighborhood to a more mixed one. A black family bought our old home. Within a few weeks, their front door was blown off the hinges by an explosive thrown through the window. This was in the early '80s, in a major midwest city, in the north. Take a moment one day to look at studies done concerning job applicants, and how 'black sounding' names are summarily rejected. In other words, applications that have been mailed in from candidates whom the HR director has never met - if 'Jamal' and 'Brad' have the same qualifications, 9 times out of 10 'Jamal's' app goes in the trash. Have you ever asked yourself why crack (usually found in black neighborhoods) carries sentences 100 times more severe than cocaine (usually found in white neighborhoods) when they're both just derivatives of the coca plant? Do you really believe race is not a factor in this? Sometimes people think that because I'm white I'm not in a position to see a lot of what happens, but I maintain that it puts me in a GOOD position to see what really happens, because racist crackers are constantly trying to 'bond' with me by sharing their bigotry - as if the fact that I'm white automatically means I'll agree with their hatred. Okay, I'm getting more pissed the longer I go, so I'll stop there. I guess all I'm saying is that if you are white and don't think that racism holds black Americans down, you really need to open your eyes. You could maybe start by getting to know some black people. That could help. Anyway, regarding "Chocolate Rain", I applaud Tay's message, but the song is just terrible. Extremely repetitive and monotonous, and kind of lyrically random.


"Yes, this happens MORE to black people, but not because they're black." Dude, do you even realize how much of a contradictory statement you just made? yeah not being able to dunk in a basket ball hoop happens more to short people, but its not because they're short. I also see that your one of those 'affirmative action solved a lot of stuff for black people' im not saying that it doesn't help black people, but when you you give blacks such a f***ed up start from 400yrs of slavery to even more years of racism and oppression that continues on still today, you cant just say that its a persons fault that they do join a gang, because everyone is just a product of 2 things, their dna, and their environment. so please dont pull that affirmative action BS and try and say that blacks have it good, yeah its better than it was, but its isnt nor will it soon be "good".


Love that song ^^


I have no clue what you people are talking about this song is really good.


The song did what it was supposed to do. Grab your attention. There are many issues addressed but art often doesn't have direct aim. Art often just expresses. I hear some deep commentary about racism and reverse racism (which I'm not sure can exist when a group of people have no political power that can dominate the majority group. See the dictionary) My advice just enjoy the song whether it's by laughter or intrigue. Holla!


Nobody these days understands, its really sad. No no, not about _that_. Nobody takes responsability. There is racism in the world but it is not where you are looking.

The black/white ratio in colleges is not about diversity. It's about assuming responability for your OWN destiny. My grandparents emigrated to this country from eastern europe years ago, without education, and worked in factories so that their children could have a better life. Low and behold their children understood the value of an education, and became doctors, both of them, and live comfortably. I could not be more proud of them, nor their parents. They passed that on to me, and I am completing my undergraduate degree, and plan to take a masters too.

Nobody goes to jail because they're black. Nobody drops out of school because they're black. They drop out of school because they don't understand the value of an education. Then they don't have anything to do, fall in with gangs, commit crimes, and then go to jail.

Yes, this happens MORE to black people, but not because they're black. We're all equal. We all have the same opportunities to succeed, and to fail. If anything, black people are given MORE opportunity to succeed with affirmative action and similar legislations.

Not everything is as it appears on the surface.

this song is terrible.

the lyrics have no common end.

there is no direction to the song.

its just a piece of pop culture blown out of proportion.


I find it amazing that so many people act like they understand this issue when they obviously can't. Everybody is discriminated against. Being male I will never pretend I could understand what it's like for a woman to be victimised by a man, the same way I would never pretend to understand what an asian man or a latin man might have gone through in his life. I can identify with it, but never truly understand, because I haven't had that experience.

So, enjoy this song for it's message, relate to it however you will, and congratulate yourself for being aware. But don't ever act like you know, if you obviously don't.

Wow. I have read many of the comments and I must say that by your own remarks, you are exactly what this song is about. Racism still exists and if you don't believe it look at the ratio of black men ages 18 to 24 in jail compared to college. Is it socio-economic, academic? Let's call it what it truly is.

Tai mi Sho

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